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Claiming that "actions are being taken", a Church of Scientology representative has responded exclusively to Wikinews regarding the recent attacks on their web sites from the nebulous "Anonymous" group. In an effort to get the Church's side of the story, Wikinews freelance journalist Brian McNeil located a contact address, knowledge@lrh.org. A "Laetitia" responded, ignoring a detailed list of questions that would have given information on the damage inflicted on the Church and action taken. Instead non-specific comments about how the Church is handling the issue were given. She first started by asking if Wikinews was "part of Anonymous or are you pro-Scientology?"
"Activities of Anonymous have been reported to the Authorities and actions are being taken. Their activities are illegal and we do not approve of them. At the same time, our main work is to improve the environment, make people more able and spiritually aware. ... yes, we are taking action," said Laetitia.
Wikinews sent the e-mails from the Church to several experts on Scientology for an expert opinion on what they might have been trying to say. Although there was minimal response, Wikinews heard from the creator of Operation Clambake, which is a project formed in 1996 as a direct result of seeing the Church succeeding in removing criticism from the Internet. Wikinews also heard from another expert on Scientology and former Church member, who wishes to remain anonymous.
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Sunday, February 3, 2008
Church of Scientology: '"Anonymous' will be stopped"
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Beware of the dirty tricks campaign and take what they say with a grain of salt. They recieved envelopes containing "white powder" the other day, but they most likely sent those letters to themselves, much as they did to discredit Paulette Cooper in the 1970s when they framed her for sending threatening letters to Arab embassies and American officials.
Be very wary of the claims of the Church of Scientology.
What would you expect? The Church has sold books for years (strange?), talks to everyone who walks in the door (odd?) runs classes (requires a donation), run a Sunday service (free). What would you expect? Ahhh, an expert critic has other ideas, how COULD we think otherwise.
Mumbojumbo repetition of old news in bad journalist style. Come on, is nothing new happening? What about the anthrax attacks against 19 Churches last week? ebaums terror? Or not?
Hoax as you would see here: http://tinyurl.com/2jp47z
If it's required, it's not a donation.
Hey there, Terrible Terry, or Terryeo. (At least you have a sense of humor about it, and are having a giggle about your notoriety.)
You may be able to get hold of a few of the original hackers. We don't know, since this Anon has no clue about such activities, how they're done, or how they're tracked. Can't say we feel all that sorry for you, but if someone has violated the law, well, there are consequences for that.
But this ridiculousness about stopping Anonymous? You can't be serious. You have no ability whatsoever to stop Anonymous. It's expanded to include the general public, people whose integrity is well-established.
Do you really comprehend what's happened? Let us explain: Anonymous is composed of upstanding, upright, rational and well-intentioned citizens who know what CoS has done, and therefore oppose it.
We're not ashamed. We're not embarrassed. We're not on the run. We're simply cautious, and want you to have to work reeeaally hard to identify anyone and harass them. If you blow a lot of resources doing so, that works for us too. There are too many to follow us all -- (It would be like rush hour on Sunday, all of us in some sort of "American Graffiti" cruise down "the strip" for hours, or until everyone ran out of gas.)
Newsflash: CoS has always been outnumbered by *indifferent* people. But now you're outnumbered by ACTIVE OPPOSITION. There's a whole "guh-LAX-y", as Elron would say, of difference between the two.
Don't be silly. Don't make yourselves more ridiculous than is currently the case. If you do, you'll just prove the point about your illegal and vicious activities. The Anonymous name is only necessary because CoS is a rabid pit-bull of an organization. This isn't a science fiction/spy movie, okay? It's a movement in the real world.
Anyway, the "Anonymous will be stopped" bravado from CoS is cute, really, but characteristically deluded.
You can't stop an ocean one molecule at a time.
You can build levees.
You can build dams.
But you're looking at a Cat 5 hurricane of completely true bad PR heading your way.
Get a clue, fast.
Brace for impact.
We are coming.
Scientology is now getting the treatment it has forced on us on internet, since the very first time where somebody started to disclose the incredibly numerous crimes the cult has commited since it exists. No suprise, poor memberes brainwashed of that cult keep on holding the same rules: attacking critics rather than changing the criminalmethods of the cult. One exemple: Hubbard, guru from the cult, was sentenced to 4 years for fraud and extortion in Paris Courts, 1978. Others? try these words on any search engines: Scientology + crime, or scientology + justice.
scientology is fucked up and scary. hence war.
This has been a long time coming. Please join everyone on Feb 10th. Be a part of history in a very constructive way.
This Is a joke I as a Security Expert will explain:
Anonymous is one of the most feared online groups they are backed by millions of skiddies (low-end hackers) alongside with experienced black hats, zombie masters etc. Large and powerfule hacking orginization supports them and the train a new comer quick into doing standard DDoS and additional attacks in less than a week new members are able to solidary take down site a 2 weeks data mine and social engineer in 7 weeks SQL injections aswell as defacing sites phishing is a common practice aswell go on youtube search for 70 000 passwords see that vid.
The church of scientology hired hacking crews to hack some anon sites instead the COS hacking crews ending up being hacked
Anonymous has never failed a attack and i believe people have become very terrified of being on the wrong side of anon. They will win this war it is only matter of time
and up till now the COS has but only faced the skiddies they do not wish to meet the people being anonymous not branded with a /i/ or etc. those that lurk in the dark corners.
Also i do not mind to see scientology fall i believe they mailed those letters to themselves containing the powder it is not the kind of stunt anonymous would pull, Neither was it on their road map.
They agreed to try do this legally after the 24th and if scientology falls nothing of value was lost
Wish to become a scientologist look at tom cruise is that what you wish to end up as? he was brilliant before he enter this mad cult
Sorry about the spelling but i have a lot more important work than to worry about a cult or actually i think it is time i should worry about the aims of these cults?
You did you Eric Von Wade show? He gave hidden info about the "Church".
www.ericvonwade.com
WARNING to PROTESTERS:
The church of Scientology has indicated their method of response by their statements. They say that the protesters are "inciting to violence". We know that they aren't, so what's up?
The church will do everything it can to create violence at these protests, and then blame the protesters and call in the police.
This will give them the excuse to suppress the protests.
Be warned. Do not be provoked and be prepared to document everything the Scientologists do.
Scientology considers ALL journalists to be "suppressive persons" - This is written policy within Hubbard's extensive Policy Letters and Bulletins that tell Scientologists how to do everything from brush their teeth to handle finances.
They also consider mental health professionals to be "suppressive"
Both of these groups, Scientologists are told, are criminal and are trying to stop the benefits of Scientology from reaching humanity.
*cough*
There are 6 active petitions that British citizens and/or residents can sign in regard to scientology by logging on to the Downing Street website:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/StopNarconon/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scientologyno/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/-Scientology/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anti-scientology/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PoliceandCoS/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ScientologyNMW/#detail
scientologist will get people in to attend the protest and carry knives and weapons etc. evidense leaked scientologist also want them to start fight they will pay each 3000 U$ plus bail them if need.
Also they paid 1500 U$ to people post hoax anthrax letters acount info etc. was hacked
be very wary of the 10th february
the scientologist the scum of this world
The "Anonymous" was traced to one IP address per my knowledge!?
No no, one Anon might have been traced to one IP. It would be more or less impossible to track all of us though.
And besides, most of us use protection to avoid being traced. And that goes for those who are not hackers as well. It's just a good idea to protect yourself over the Internet, which most unfortunately fail to do.
How cool, I was gonna go after them after I was thru with doyle davidson but the mighty all powerfull anonymous took care of them,thanx folks.
Why are Scientologists moving entire filing cabinet drawers out of buildings in Australia, where the first planned protest will occur?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAbez5vViA
How can we find out what percentage of Scientologies gross income is spent on "the environment"? I wonder what they mean by that term? Is there any sort of audit trail re Scientology? Do they have to submit to any sort of examination in order to hold on to their tax free status? It's strange but I am just not aware of any programs of theirs that help do anything except spread the opwrd of LRH.
Responses?
I searched for the words Scientology and Charity...
Scientology charity?
"Scientology Volunteer Ministers" cooked and served meals to workers cleaning up after Hurricane Lili in Louisiana, reports the Daily Advertiser of Acadiana.
The same group has done other volunteer work, such as "assisting" workers at Ground Zero after 9-11.
But is this a genuine effort to help, or a thinly veiled publicity stunt using high profile disasters to promote Scientology's own interests?
A closer look at their recent effort in Louisiana is somewhat revealing through its cost effectiveness. That is, no cost to Scientology. The meals were made from food donated by local residents. Likewise, an area restaurant donated its kitchen and utilities.
Scientology provided the labor of 50 "volunteers," which doesn't cost the church anything. Those volunteers then prepared and delivered the meals wearing bright yellow T-shirts with the logo "Scientology Minister" across the front. They probably paid for their own gas.
So for virtually nothing out of pocket, the controversial church got a photo op and some publicity for little more than rounding up some of its faithful to work for free.
This happened here in the UK... Similar self serving agenda I would say....
UK NEWS
The Labour Party received thousands of pounds from an offshoot of Scientology, it has been revealed.
The decision to accept money from a charity linked to the controversial cult was taken at the highest level by members of the National Executive Committee.
• 'Senior Blair aides to be interviewed as potential suspects in cash-for-honours probe'
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They allowed the charity, the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), to take a stall at the party's annual conference in Manchester.
Exhibitors at the conference have to pay up to £13,500. The stand was part of an extensive lobbying operation by Scientology members to promote its drug treatment programme, Narconon, and the criminal rehabilitation scheme Criminon.
Correspondence obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Evening Standard reveals how Graeme Wilson of the Church of Scientology met Baroness Scotland - then a Home Office minister - in Manchester in September.
Baroness Scotland was later invited to attend the opening of the Scientology's new base in London and was handed information about Narconon.
The invitation was passed to drugs minister Vernon Coaker who declined it to "due to diary commitments".
Critics of Narconon claim it is a front for Scientology, a "religion" founded by science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard which counts John Travolta and Tom Cruise among its devotees.
An excerpt from a document enumerating the reasons why the churches application for 'charitable status" was rejected in Britain.
2. Conclusion
The Commissioners having considered the full legal and factual case and supporting
documents (including expert evidence) which had been put to them by CoS and having
considered and reviewed the relevant law, taking into account the principles embodied
in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), the Commissioners
concluded that CoS is not established as a charity and accordingly is not registrable as
such. In so determining the Commissioners concluded as follows -:
CoS is not charitable as an organisation established for the advancement of religion
because having regard to the relevant law and evidence:
(a) Scientology is not a religion for the purposes of English charity law. That
religion for the purposes of charity law constitutes belief in a supreme being
and worship of that being (section 6, pages 12 to 25). That it is accepted that
Scientology believes in a supreme being (section 6, page 25). However, the
core practices of Scientology, being auditing and training, do not constitute
worship as they do not display the essential characteristic of reverence or
veneration for a supreme being (section 6, pages 25 to 26).
(b) That even were CoS otherwise established for the advancement of religion,
public benefit should not be presumed given the relative newness of
Scientology and public and judicial concern expressed – ie the presumption of
public benefit available to religious organisations as charities was rebutted
(section 8, pages 40 to 43); and that
(c) Public benefit arising from the practice of Scientology and/or the purposes of
CoS had not been established (section 8, pages 43 to 44 and pages 47 to 48).
2
CoS is not charitable as an organisation established to promote the moral or spiritual
welfare or improvement of the community because having regard to the relevant law
and evidence:
(a) The practice of Scientology and the purposes of CoS are not analogous to the
legal authorities establishing the moral or spiritual welfare or improvement of
the community as a charitable purpose (section 7, pages 26 to 29), and in
taking a broader view of the authorities, would not be likely to achieve such a
purpose (section 7, pages 30 to 37).
(b) That even were CoS otherwise established for the promotion of the moral or
spiritual welfare or improvement of the community, public benefit arising out of
the practice of Scientology and/or the purposes of CoS had not been
established (section 8, pages 45 to 47 and page 49).
I know something I can tell...
The church has a term for any activity or person who does not bring money IN. That term is "downstat". That is always a negative term. THe organization is run on a road of statistics. Endless complex statistics upon which org goals are measured and constantly redefined. ANY church activity that has a downstat aspect/facet must have an otherwise upstat aspect. NO downstat activities are tolerated without upper level approval. Charity for charities sake is not ever seen in a positive light. Acording to the set of rules defined by LRH and adhered to by the church...true charity is a suckers game.
I know that they do use the labor of the lower/lowest level members to help out in any high profile disaster.
Sort of like sending in the platoons to fill sand bags.
But that doesnt really cost them anything does it? I remember shifting concrete with a group of people wearing "Golden Era" shirts. I remember that they had a sort of keeper who actually knew something about what we were dealing with. But that was years ago and far away. Do they still do that sort of thing?
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